ALL factory handgun ammo is impossible to obtain now in the Covid 19 and Defund the Police world we live in now. There is a fine line between hobby & obsession! Working range would be 50-70 yards. Try some Blue Dot in your .357 Mag, chronograph it and see how you like it. I am going to start reloading though as JHP rounds for these calibers are expensive and I am apprehensive about using the easily found round nose bullets on a tube magazine gun. Finding component will likely be tough though. But do you know how to properly use them? You get the best of both the classic function of a lever gun with modern improvements. Its not as slick as the old 19, but it will do the job. Try it you won't regret it. The .450 will really put a wallop on your shoulder. This is because revolvers allow a certain amount of gas to escape as the bullet jumps from the cylinder to the forcing cone, meaning lost pressure. Thats exactly the sort of info i was looking for. Sellier, who established the company in Prague in 1825 and began manufacturing percussion caps for use in muskets and rifles. Accurate Arms, Hercules, Hodgdon, Hornady, IMR, Lyman, Nosler, RCBS, Sierra and Speer. Bullets manufactured by Hornady. HINT: Academy has Henry Steel Big Boys in stock today, July 29th, for $730. Remington is the only manufacturer of brass for this caliber, but Hornady, Speer, Sierra, Remington, Winchester, and several other manufacturers make bullets that work well for the cartridge. Obviously, a longer cartridge had increased powder capacity and greater velocity potential. Moku Manu, Hawai'i. Jun 17, 2016. Guns Rifles Harrington Richardson Rifles HARRINGTON RICHARDSON . . But it didnt came from the Marlin factory that way, and it took a custom lever gunsmith a lot of work and a lot of replacement parts to get it there. From reloading to bullet selection, reloading powder choice and factory ammunit. Its a copy of the Winchester 1892 made by Miroku for Browning. We will take a look back at a stock revolver and its misunderstood cartridge called the .357 Maximum.Originally conceived by the late Elgin Gates and called the .357 SuperMag, the new round was very straightforward. At least it can use use the same bullets as my Smiths. gee how many of us have heard that, for 1,000 times? Had a lousy day in the deer blind once, in my youth. I have the Winchester 1892 pictured above. by awp101 Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:25 pm, Post The unnecessary cross bolt safety can easily be deleted with a Beartooth Mercantile safety delete kit for $35.00. The old tooling is long gone now. Its blue with a 16.5 inch barrel. I have not seen the .357 atomic but know of the .375 atomic-it is a i.4 in. Unless they went back later to get it they never seemed to care that much. I really want to get one in .357 mag. The world's most powerful firearm database. I sure like my Marlin 94c..I had my Smith do an action and trigger job on it. Ed Palumbo from Tualatin, OR on November 23, 2019: I spoke to a gunsmith about rebarreling a Ruger #3 falling block (single shot) to .357 Maximum and he was appalled, commenting "You'll never be able to resell it! It shoots deadly accurate and has amazingly smooth trigger action. Another Marlin not to miss is the Model 1894 CST, which features a black pistol grip stock and stainless finish. I haven't dismissed the idea but I'll research the best rate-of-twist for it. 008-E503829 | MTM. His just naturally pointed well, I didnt have to work at all. Comments like yours on why dont you just reload are what limits some of my shooting time on the metallic silhouette range as its full of old vietnam era (and older) shooters that whine more than a Karen in the wild if you dont pick up your brass with intent to reload. I only have a little experience with .357 SIG (a friend has a Springfield XDM in said chambering) but it seems a reasonable round. Over time, Sellier & Bellot expanded its product line to include rifle cartridges and smokeless powder. The 357 Max is generally considered to be less powerful that 35 Rem, but I don't know if you would see a difference in a 14" barrel. Order your barrel directly from Match Grade Machine, made however you want with their standard chamber or for $125 additional post paid to you, custom chambered by me, Mike Bellm, to my specs for best accuracy with the full range of bullet weights and types. 317 1 Image (s) Ruger Blackhawk .357 Maximum, 1983, 10.5-inch, great bore, 95%, layaway Gun #: 945177475 Seller: Sportsmans Legacy GA Sales: 739 $1,750.00 Full Details 1 Image (s) ROSSI R-92 LEVER RIFLE .357 MAGNUM Gun #: 942851574 Seller: Alpha Omega Services LLC $948.60 I will admit to some bias my first handgun was a S&W Model 19 and, for many years, it was my only handgun. All your beautiful $2,000 semi-auto rifles will be illegal, while excellent, used $500 Marlins will disappear from the market. In a rifle, this cartridge is easy on the shoulder, making it a natural for new shooters. I settled on Accurate 1680 propellant. The rifle shot better after reaming that it did before. The AR-15s in .223 are just glorified rabbit guns in my opinion. Can we get some more ideas? GunBroker.com Forums. Later, Dan Wesson Firearms made double-action revolvers, and Thompson/Center offered single-shot Contender pistol barrels. My lever is a Winchester in .45 Colt, for which you can not only reload, but you can reload pretty close to double the pressure of a handgun round, as long as you are using a modern rifle, and depending on the weight of the round. Lube is easily made from beeswax and chassis grease. Good time to start getting ready for the next ammo drought. I would think the old school lever lovers and the black rifle guys could come together on this. Custom barrels made by the best of the custom TC barrel manufacturers! 30-30 is always a good option. In a handgun .357 is the upper level of my comfort zone. (Winchester 94) and .22lr (Marlin 39A x2) with various accompanying sidearms. SIG Sauer P365 Pistol Now Offered in .380, Casting Your Own Bullets for Lever-Action Rifles, The Staying Power of the .257 Roberts Cartridge, 10mm Firepower: Springfield XD-M Elite 3.8 Compact Pistol Review, 5 Best Long-Range Hunting Bullets Available Right Now, A World Record Attempt: Practice Round and Media Day, Interview with Israeli Defense Forces, Part 1. Check out ballisticsbytheinch.com/2011graphs+/223ME.html and ballisticsbytheinch.com/2011graphs+/223ME.html. Best .357 Magnum Lever-Action Rifles. Max. The 125-grain loads have not quite as much muzzle energy as NATO's standard infantry rifle round, the 5.56x45mm. And of course my Marlin comes back today from the warranty repair and they still havent fixed the main issue I sent it in for. Itll still all fit in a small tackle box. That Blackhawk in .357 Maximum was a very short lived gun. . This caliber in both the bottle neck and straight wall was a popular "high velocity" for it's day buffalo caliber. Despite the fact there is little commercial production for the .357 Remington maximum, the cartridge is well liked by hunters who understand the velocities, energy, and recoil it produces makes for a very efficient and manageable cartridge. Guns can be fun. Why does a levergun in .357 Magnum make more sense than one in .30-30 in those states? No joke. This year, H&R announced an expansion of its AR-15 lineup, bringing additional "retro" models to the market, including a 9 mm Luger-chambered Colt SMG clone, an M16A2-styled rifle and the carbine-size 723. Nostalgia isnt relevance. In the many years since, however, Ive shot pretty much every common handgun caliber and own a dozen or so of them and, still, something about that .357 just works the best. Good thought though. im looking to trade for a 357 lever action.. Good luck.hope you brought your best marbles.. Rechamber to .357 Maximum or rethroat .357 Magnum factory chamber: Send the TC, CVA, ORHenry BARREL ONLY, and $125 check or money order, total including UPS shipping. The company would sell you all you wanted for ten bucks apiece, but a gun that tried to cut itself in half was doomed to failure. The chrony doesnt lie: .357 levers punch well above their weight: Since this is a single-shot firearm, there is no potential for flame cutting, and the true potential of this cartridge is realized. Ruger developed a Blackhawk specifically for the cartridge, but word of barrel erosion and "flame cutting" came to light quickly and production of the revolver was ceased with only about 400 produced. Same 357 MAXIMUM 180 gr load in an 18" rifle barrel has a MP= 3111 psi vel 1663 FPS 357 Mag 158 gr 13 gr Win 296 1719 FPS 14" barrel MP= 2586 Should be Ev0-9 safe especially with a Triad Mount. I have shot a buddys 357, think it was Italian, a couple times as he is into Cowboy Action..not my thing but fun to watch! Actually prefer 30-30 to any handgun round. HubPages is a registered trademark of The Arena Platform, Inc. Other product and company names shown may be trademarks of their respective owners. I have. The .357 Remington Maximum was conceived primarily as an ultra-velocity, flat-trajectory silhouette cartridge. I still have a stash of Hornady 180 grain SSP's for it. Low supplies and very high demand. The advantage I see to 357 max is you use 357 mag carbide reloading dies so it is easier to reload and no trimming. L ess than 50 rounds fired through the barrel. . Designed to use popular handgun calibers, it allowed shooters to carry a single caliber of ammo. Please contact us with any questions, or for purchase options. Why wouldnt you want a .357 Magnum lever action rifle? There'll be no market for it. and especially their 180 gr. It's accuracy is outstanding. The youngsters love shooting it with .38 spl. Also have a Winchester 1886 in 45-90, I shoot 45-70 loads in it and had no issues. I have a MGM barrel 24" ProHunter Contour 1:14 twist which allows me to shoot 180 grain bullets and above extremely well. We cover the 357 MaximumAll you need to know about the 357 Remington Maximum! Pic is 5 shots with 21.0 gr, 3 of the 5 in 3/4" but all 5 is 1.5". RETURN POLICY: Intrepid Shooting Sports will accept returns on firearms that arrive other than advertised in the listing. First, I was a guy who dropped the idea, except for a special-purpose handload. While the Colt Model 601 was the first AR-15 to be mass-produced, there were several design variations that came before during the platform's development. Here in Ohio legal deer hunting rifle cartridges are straightwall cases from .357 to .50. Mounted basic fixed sights on it. It packs or stows easily and are very difficult to find lately. All in all the .357 may be the best TEOTWAWKI round going. Very accurate, which makes it very deadly. They seem to have gotten a lot better in the last 5 years ago or so. I still have a safe full of ARs, but thinking this Marlin is going to be seeing a lot more range time than they will. Optimize the potentials of the .357 MAGnum by long rethroating the factory chamber. 44 Mag is much more forgiving. Lever action rifles are fun. by Old Ironsights Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:54 pm, Post It's another special purpose cartridge that has an eerie resemblance to the Max. They only made these two years. That feature was what was holding me back from buying one. It was way past the time Henry made a side loading gate Lever action rifle. You are using an out of date browser. While initially offered in .44-40, .32-20 and .38-40 (and discontinued for some time) a new version emerged in 2013 chambered for .357 Magnum/.38 Spl and a hammer block safety for safe carry. It really boils down to max distance, drop, and how much the bullets . Not all of us have the ability for various reasons to reload. Id bet the old timers that rode the wild and woolly west would have liked the magnum in a rifle. Firearms returned for any reason other than damage or undisclosed conditions will be subject to a 10% restocking fee. MAXIMUM RIFLE | 325 | 122 | Lc | 125.0022ms, HARRINGTON & RICHARDSON 158 .357 MAXIMUM RIFLE. Thus sighted, 125 grain +p 38 special is spot on out to about 50 yards, maybe furtherbut havent tried it. I think its partly because leverguns are unusual in a sea of sameness, and also because theyve still got a bit of that badass Old West cachet. Although some may not find this particular gun relevant, I think there are lots of pluses. Ps should've gone with 26" would be better. .357 MAGnum throated long to accept .357 MAXimum published loads in MAGnum brass, (Ask about other options such as .35 Remington, .358/.356 Winchester.). This is especially true if you plan to hunt or compete in silhouette competitions as lighter bullets don't maintain enough energy at longer ranges. Max., Those who own firearms in this chambering load their own custom ammunition. The finish is stainless steel with a black/gray laminate stock with checkered pistol grip and a rubber recoil pad. Yes, tactical Virginia, you can put a red dot on a lever gun. version of the .375 supermag (1.61 in.) Having fired several different types and CARRIED them in the Military, I much prefer the simple and traditional bolt-actions, levers and semi-autos that American hunters have carried for generations. Federal has created a safer, easier and more reliable way to shoot a muzzleloader. CHECK FOR EXCESS PROTRUSION OF THE CASE FROM THE END OF THE BARREL BEFORE FIRING! by BAGTIC Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:14 pm, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. When Remington put the special round into production, it got a new (and prophetic) name: .357 Maximum. SAAMI documents dated 2005 list it as inactive.. Great guns..would love to have a Winchester big loop trapper in 357..but i wish the Winchester came with sling studs like the Marlin. Even when I was younger I preferred the .357 over the .44. Go for a hike in the woods or mountains and you see deer most times of the year. For sale I have a Harrington & Richardson (H&R) model 158 rifle in .357 Maximum. I've searched the internet without finding definitive answers. I bought a new carrier and internal parts and fitted them to feed a loaded 357 Maximum. The .357 Maximum is a "stretched" .357 Magnum case; it's about 0.315 inch longer than its parent. Larger game such as elk or black bear warrant a more substantial cartridge and hunting game on the open plains of the West requires more power and a flatter trajectory. Rossi 92 is one of the best purchases Ive ever made.
But the most painful thing is buying ammo for it. Custom craftsmanship applied to streamlined CNC manufacturing processes. Hot and spiced with nutmeg and cinnamon on a cold day kicks ass, https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/97/56/4e/97564e38ab918eae2103ffa40b24f0c1.jpg. The Model X in .357 magnum is super compact with an overall length of just 36.3 inches. Most of our deer were harvested at 30-45 yards. But what if we wanted the right bullet for the occasional hyena, baboon, wallaby or racoon, say a 180-220 grain soft bullet propelled along at about 1200 feet per second? I always assumed it was so you didnt lose your rifle when making a Sabre charge and hauling ass on your horse. Im a wee bit envious. Do you have a case length limitation in your state for a straight wall case? Im not particularly recoil sensitive (though getting old does suck) but from a power-to-controllability ratio standpoint, Ive always found the .357 to be the sweet spot. $2.92. Detachable rotary magazine features a unique rotor to separate cartridges and . My main load was Winchester 357 Silvertips. Most reloading die manufacturers can supply this accessory for your current dies set. If you want to. If you have to use a long-action gun to create a .357 Maximum, then the other easier way to get the .358" bullet going that fast, is just to use a .35 Remington chambered 'factory' levergun. The resulting airspace does no good. plus i have very bad eyes, and kinda need a scope or a red dot to shoot in a relaxed fashion. 38 wad cutters and 357 mag, I have a 357 maximum but I dont reload can I buy a box. Nosler, the world's finest bullets, ammunition, rifles, & brass. Shooter's Reference Load Data for .357 Maximum .357 Maximum - Published Manufacturer Loading Data Shellholders: Lee #1 Lyman #1 RCBS #6 Recipe Type: Pistol Bullet Weight: ALL 100 gr 110 gr 125 gr 140 gr 158 gr 165 gr 170 gr 180 gr 200 gr Powder: ALL Accurate 1680 Accurate 4100 Accurate 5744 Hodgdon CFE BLK Hodgdon H110 Hodgdon Lil'Gun Who knew wild turkey's were so stupid!? Additionally, .357 Magnum lever action rifles can accept optics as most are pre-tapped for scopes and can easily be fit for a tactical rail. As a recap on hand loads, I would suggest that anyone wishing to hunt with the .357 rifle should . That all depends on the powder youre burning. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/lever-action-ballistics-30-30-vs-357-magnum/, The original (factory) Marlin review: Since the rules have changed again effective this fall I have came up with another case based on the 444 marlin necked to .375 at 1.8 inches long. The least amount of trouble would be to buy a 35 Remmington and be done with it. Is taught at the Range! Gun shows are your salvation. The Speer Hot Cor 180 soft point shoots lights out and velocities are over 2200 fps. by JerryB Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:00 pm, Post I chose not to raid the checking account for a c-note more and have been kicking myself since. GunBroker.com Forums. The New Henry Big Boy X models are looking like may be the best value in a New Lever action rifle. Awesome. Rethroating, .357 Magnum barrels and rechambering to .357 Remington Maximum and Winchesters new .350 Legend. I wish I had known Hornady was going to discontinue them, I would have stocked up on them. Of the 32 models of 357 lever gun they offer, there are precisely zero units currently available for sale. . Mine was made in about 2005, for what its worth. Antique (Pre-1899) Rifles - Flintlock Misc, Antique (Pre-1899) Rifles - Matchlock/Wheellock Misc, Century Arms International (CAI) - Rifles, Muzzleloading Modern & Replica Rifles (perc), Winchester Rifles - Modern Bolt/Auto/Single, Winchester Rifles - Pre-1899 Bolt/Single Shot, Century Arms International (CAI) - Pistols, Colt Automatic Pistols (.25, .32, & .380 cal), Colt Single Action Revolvers - Modern (22 Cal. Every bullet tested shot very well, and we did not have any key-holing whatsoever on any of the projectiles. Rechamber to .350 Legend from .357 Magnum or .357 Maximum: Add $25 to mill/convert the extractor for the rebated rimless .350 Legendcase rim. MGM's .357 Maximum chamber has an excellent .358" diameter cylindrical throat, stepped down to .357" far, far superior to factory forcing cone chambers, and very similar to my throating. Industry specs call out a 158-grain bullet at a velocity of 1,800 fps and a 180-grain bullet at 1,530 fps, both from a 10.5-inch vented test barrel. Supply and demand. Pistol caliber lever action rifles do make sense for benighted states, and are also still a lot of fun for the rest of us as well. by Nath Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:30 pm, Post Its nice to check back in after so many years and see that my old photos and articles are still relevant. I wrote the original TTAG book on pistol-caliber levers back in the day, and Id like to add a few points to those made in this article. (left) vs. .357 Magnum (Right). There have been discussions in the past about the comparison between the .357 Magnum and the .30 Carbine cartridges. About 5 deer have fallen to that rifle/bullet combo, all of the bang-flop's at about 80 yards. Best place to find squirrels in in a deer stand with a 30-06. Maximum average pressure (MAP) was set at 40,000 psi/48,000 CUP, substantially higher than the .357 Magnum. .357 Maximum loaded with Our 200g Hollow Point gas checked to produce zero leading even at full speed. AS ALWAYS, START ABOUT 10% LOW AND WORK UP! I now have the Ruger gp100-7. Youll see how relevant lever guns are next time the bolsheviks are in the white house. Yes I had one.. perry42 Nov 23, 2018 #12 There were some factory chambered in .357 Remington Maximum over 20 guage. It was sweet. So far I've shot 19.0, 20.0, and 21.0 of H110 using Remington 7-1/2 primers and a 180 XTP. It shoots pretty good. .357 Rem. Slip Top 50 Red Ammo Box 38 /357 Mag /357 Max /38 ACP /38 Super. Never again Marlin, shouldve bought another Henry. NEF 357 Mag camo syn stocks with camo Nikon . Sorry, there are no results in your area. WOW! Yes, tactical Virginia, you can put a red dot on a lever gun. Since its a range toy for me, its never been a big enough issue for me to bump it to the top of the to-do list. Also, at higher velocities, the bullet is able to realize a flatter trajectory meaning longer shots are possible. Indeed. It would not feed 38 Specials so I reinstalled the original parts and shoot the Maximums by loading them one at a time. There was enough space there for a scabbard with a .30-30 in it. It was even out of warranty and they took care of it no charge. I would accept the beating and get a .44 if I did. Also, the flame proved to be hard on the rear end of the barrel, rapidly destroying the smooth taper of the forcing cone.The makers involved cleared their drawing boards and mandated corrections. New cartridge and rifle. Both were chronographed in the same gun (8" Colt Python). Threaded barrel. barrel and (2) additional 12rd magazines. At least you should expect the kind of quality youd get from a Remington bolt gun in the price range. Low dollar lever gun joy is in your future. The Story of my life it seems. This permits me to throat the MAGnum barrel with a proper minimum diameter cylindrical throat that: Given a long minimum diameter throat, a MAGnum gives better accuracy with standard MAG ammo for those wanting to shoot .357 MAGnum and .38 Special loads while also being able to essentially duplicating .350 Legend factory loadings. The furniture is high grade walnut, and the Deluxe Sporting model also features a 24-inch half octagon barrel and half rounded. But the tyrants have publicly said they hate repeating firearms.
And some states (North Carolina) consider that a concealed weapon. Location. Im still waiting for someone to make a 357 in. Common sense Gun Safety . 357 Maximum, 44 mag, and 45 colt. It can be used against medium to large game, with hunters disagreeing over its efficacy for dangerous game such as bear. It carries easy, at 6- lbs, with swivel studs coming standard (as does a hammer block safety) and has a large loop for fast cycling.
357 Magnum Rifle M.V. . But WHATEVER YOU DO, dont use FMJ for self defense. My findings are three of us used 357 mag out of 2 Rossi lever at 20 inch and one Marlin with 16.25 to hunt blacktails and elk. Unfortunately it caught the Remlin disease and had to be sent to the ship for some warranty work. The Arena Media Brands, LLC and respective content providers to this website may receive compensation for some links to products and services on this website. This is a high-class place so act respectable. Ive chosen to go with a strategy that includes both firearms that the SASS folks find fascinating and others that cause the antis to have bowel control problems you can cover a lot of bases for just a couple thousand dollars. Caliber: .357 MAG/ .38 Special Capacity: 10+1 Barrel Length: 18 Barrel Type: Octagon Blued Steel Rate of Twist: 1:16 Overall Length: 35.5 Receiver Material: CaseHardened Steel Rear Sight: Buckhorn Front Sight: Blade Stock Material: Walnut Weight: 7.4 lbs. In fact, a lever action carbine and a revolver in matching caliber is every bit as useful today as it was for the settlers on the Western Frontier. As they are harder to find, I switched to PPU 158 JHP with little change for sighting in. by bgmkithaca Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:46 am, Post For me, a Max levergun would only be desirable if it would cycle Mags and possibly Specials as well. Joseph Von Benedikt is with Rafe Nielsen of Browning to take a look at a new X-Bolt series rifle. Or, take advantage of facory .350 Legend ammo. Go to the Contact page for shipping information: For Remington .357 Maximum brass and Thompson Center "G2" Contender .357 Magnum 12" barrels rechambered to .357 Rem. Reloading is a good alternative if you can get the supplies, but from what I read things like primers are becoming harder to find as well. Im glad I was able to get what I needed for the time being. You can boost the Unique up to around 11-12 grains, as I recall, and your gun should handle it fine with that bullet. This is the same bullet we've used with great sucess in the .35 Rem loads. My factory Maxi is a 1982 also. 357 max has one of the best resale records out there. Don't like it you can turn it quick and easy. Everybody wanted to get their hands on my lever-action .30-30, and nobody who shot it was disappointed. Probably because the articles title was the 5 best RIFLES, not handguns. It can really thump that shoulder. That and you cant find 357 magnum ammunition anywhere. The 1873 Deluxe Sporting is that classic rifle, dressed to the nines with a color-case hardened finish and checkered pistol grip. I have become a fan. Roger super Redhawks and Henry big boy , both in .44mag. Loads for .357 Maximum: (Note: These are near maximum loads, you should use 10% less to start.) Learn the difference between revolvers and semi-auto pistols and what makes them different. You want a 357 Max rifle, best to go to MGM with Encore barrel, with Bellm's chambering. Great rifle and never have had an issue, shooting with 8 grains of unique with 225 grn semi wadcutters. I much prefer .30 caliber bullets in any of those platforms. Because of this, many hunters are realizing the potential of the cartridge for hunting medium to large game. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Some of the smaller single-action companies produced their version. I wish I had bought more..or kept more ..lol. marcJ (author) from Mid-MO on July 21, 2015: After becoming accustomed to the cartridge and it's range of uses, I too couldn't believe it never caught on commercially. Through my industry connections, I heard plenty of finger-pointing about metallurgy and propellant choices, but the ultimate outcome was that the revolver market for this cartridge simply dried up.