But other than that the girls parents could kiss my well you get the picture. My advice, don't fall in love if you can help it until you are absolutely sure your divine debt is paid first. Rouh means soul, and the i meaning mine as you already know by now. In the end, her parents cancelled the agreement. we love each other's company) = love in the sense of kindness or friendship (i.e. There are many things I found to be good about approaches to marriage in Egypt; though I do think that finance-wise there should be less materialism and more leniency. I don't understand I love this girl to death, we talked about having kids and getting married, I felt like she was the one. 47:52. I married my husband after dating online for one month! Mi tesoro (my treasure) is often used in the same context as "my darling" or "honey" in English. but in my opinion it wasn't going to work out anyways,I am an Egyptian girl so I know :D. Wow, Donovan, you really understood the Egyptian culture. In this guide, Ill introduce to you the 50+ most useful Egyptian Arabic phrases that people actually use on the streets of Egypt. I found out that most of the mothers in Egypt are controlling their sons and their husbands which is really ridiculous but I can realize that most of the Egyptians currently they go for Moroccan or Russian and polish women! Hello! I'm not here to debate the merits of tons of gold, gold, gold, presents, dowries, and the paragraph upon paragraph that you wrote about the importance of these customs. Great post! :) Me and my husband comunicate in english but its not a mothers tongue for neither of us so sometimes its really complicated to understand each other especially when it comes to emotions as u wrote abt it. Marrying me did not affect her female independence at all. Join us, volunteer and be a part of our journey of discovery! I also told them that my current boyfriend was a different religion and they were pretty surprised. The girl's dad was a money-worshiping daughter-monger from hell and I'm surprised you stuck to the process to the end (as well as by her lack of resistance to him?). I have to take care of every move I make. You wrote so many things which I experienced in my life. When you didn't post anything that week I just assumed that you'd already found something or changed your mind. In Egypt someone is always watching and judging. I remember at some point in a previous post you made a passing comment about your girlfriend in Egypt and how you'd share the details in the future. 7abibi 7abibti ( ): This is the most common term of endearment right across the Arabic-speaking world. In terms of size, Cairo has a population the size of the entire population of Australia. Just a question though, you said she had nothing to with English -neither had her family-, so how did you two get to know each other ? Learn Arabic in the fastest, easiest and most fun way. Unlike his mom, he's pretty open; he has been wanting to do an interfaith marriage since he doesn't believe in forcing me to convert to Islam but I know it will be difficult with his mom & the extended family. Dude, I am sorry for your experience. For example no privacy? The short answer: Though this word was used in the 1500s to refer to sheep sounds, today bae is used as a term of endearment, often referring to your boyfriend or girlfriend. Well, "ra" may be Tahitian for "sun," but it is not Ancient Egyptian." So you can't just pop in "habibi/habibti" into an online hieroglyph converter and get anything really useful. The conflicts have died. I'm sad that your story didn't go well. You were running through my mind. Lesson learned: Guys need a serious set of balls if they want to pursue a girl in the Middle East and a good story to back themselves up when being interviewed by the father. Ask MetaFilter is where thousands of life's little questions are answered. The content of our conversations was advanced and therefore I was forced to move up to a higher fluency level. That was that but what I really wanted to ask was that I met this Iraqi girl at work and I fell in love with her. Follows hard-to-please Aurora looking for love and her daughter's family problems. One aspect of this that strikes me as being very difficult is making a commitment before you even know whether you want to make a commitment, since you don't know the other person--very different from how things are done in the US or Australia. It seems to me that the best solution to this would be to say that those who are trying to follow their faith in a very intent manner and want their children to be brought up in the faith and so on, well then they should marry fellow Muslims because thats the way of insuring that their children would be brought up in the faith; they wouldnt be confused between this religion and that religion in the same household. I have since lived extensively in both Egypt and the states, back and forth. Theres also quite a lot of negativity toward other polytheistic religions (e.g. Our relationship was entirely through my second language, Arabic. I worry that I am working very hard everyday while he is in Algeria contributing nothing. in both Hindi and Urdu. Baby - A common term of endearment for a cute guy. Myshka "Little mouse." Zolotse at the end it was nice to read this exprience :), I totally feel you man ! Jewellers in ancient Egypt needed to know and follow a strict set of rules in order to fulfil the religious function of jewellery. Are you thinking about learning the Arabic language? I LOVE coming into contact and reading comments all throughout the internet from very conservative Muslims who deem situations such as mine as haram (sinful) and reflective of how her family must be failed (?) The nearest most appropriate translation for Omr would be life. ^^, Well ,iam an Egyptian and live in usa I had an Egyptian girl friend but I could not meet her ,loved her very much but could only meet me at the hospital whenever she brought her mother to me then I left to usa and got a PhDs and opened a clinic try iced desparetly to see wher she is gave up married a candian and have a wonderful son physician but still want to know where is my first love exits in Egypt.i agree dating in Egypt is tough Name is Hanna. "I think it's a really human, natural behavior. Have you had a similar experience dating or marrying into another culture? It is a good read, but it does not reflect ALL Egyptians. Fascinating insight Donovan! Well now I'm sorry for taking so long to reply too! Nana. While I agree that this is the case for the average Egyptian family, things do vary by class/ region. My main concern would be just make sure I don't get in trouble with the law so I don't get kicked out of the country. When you meet her father to request permission to see her right at the start, hell want to be confident that you can provide all this from the get-go. I love being different from her, and she loves being different from me. Now, I do not care about this nor do I care to have one, but he kept this in the dark from me. In this section, find out everything you need to know about visiting the Australian Museum, how to get here and the extraordinary exhibitions on display. This was one of my biggest concerns while I was planning to get married to this girl neither she nor her family spoke a word of English and my family are monolingual English speakers with no interest in foreign cultures or travel. It was frustrating for both of us but for me in particularly, especially that I had to replace the words with screaming. so my father was totally the opposite, no interviews, but of course we have to get to know each other! James L. Brooks, Shirley MacLaine and Jack Nicholson. I had to make a serious choice then and there, without even knowing this girl properly, about whether or not I wanted to spend the rest of my life with her. Terms relevant to ancient Egyptian art, beliefs and technology. Most terms of endearment in English are generally based on some themes. I went to india for few weeks and the marriage was made there and I must say that it works a similar way in India as u said it is in Egyptespecially when it comes to privacy :D And yes its very irritating to hear all people around u talking abt how the love of ur life is in fact just trying to use uI stopped talking to many people around me bcs of this but I dont regret itthats lifeI lost some people but I gained a great husband :) Thank u again for nice article I really enjoyed reading it. . Russian Terms of Endearment Kotyonok "Kitten." Zaika/zaichik "Bunny." Seems like every language besides mine uses this one. Her name was Fathiya Ahmed Galeb. there are other places, decent restaurants in Zamalek, clubs in Mohandesin and Ma3adi and other places in New Cairo. One thing i have to differ that in some areas like my Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, And Tunisia you can see more liberal people who is closer to the rest of the modern world culture, for instance my parents and family accepted me being agnostic after some few friendly discussions, i would imagine this will get you killed somewhere else. i use it in all aspects of my life but yet some expressions and cultural issues couldnt been translated at all. It shocked her a bit until I pointed out that both she and he were miserable in the marriage. He asked me questions about everything particularly finances. When we argue these friends are always in between trying to tell my bf he can do way better with an Arab or Caucasian gf and that he should forget about me because I'm an "inferior" race plus I'm not even Muslim. he had to sell his laptop to fly across the Atlantic Ocean to come see me! Loaded 0% Hi Donovan , i'm an Egyptian girl who doesn't LOVE gold & doesn't care about Shabka :), i thought a lot about dating foreign guys , because Egyptian culture & most of Egyptian men are really annoying , until one day i had the chance to go in a couple of dates with an American & he was annoying too :) , so i guess it is about the person himself , not just the culture. My Egyptian girlfriend jus broke up with me because her father told her she had to. also if it happens that I visit Australia and have a bad experience with a bunch of people this doesn't really mean that all the Australian Society are like them. we went out togetherhad lunchbeen to the movie and made many activities together with holding all respect for eachother, and actually this helped alot in making our inner feelings for eachother grow and now we really can't wait to be joined together in one home. There is a big advantage, I guess, to have a certain age and be a little more cool also in relation to her father. I'm reading this and thinking to send the link to my british boyfriend, as I am a tunisian muslim girl, the traditions that you described are very similar to ours, it really helps to make him know better about it.My boyfriend is monolnguage and my english isn't very good, but we love each other and I want to make him propose to me and don't know how because I don't wwant to make pressure on him, and at the same time I want him to move to the next step as we're couple since 10 months. I said Id write about it eventually and here it is; forbidden love between a Middle Eastern girl with no English and a bloke from Australia learning Arabic, as well as the important lessons learned from the whole experience. In Arabic, when it comes to love and describing the sheer beauty of a woman, we use Ammar. Its also a very catchy song! I asked them if that's what they wanted to do and I think the question confused them. Video unavailable Playback on other websites has been disabled by the video owner Watch on YouTube Watch on That's a good one. I am from Czech Republic, I accepted Islam few years ago and my husband is from India. We call those the ones with weak faith. Plum - A term of endearment for a sweet lady. I can count on one hand the amount of times we were truly alone for a brief moment. Marwan and Menna are confessing their love to each other. No to these kind of people! In Egypt, the word for heart is pronounced 2albi whereas in the Gulf its pronounced qalbi. i'm an Egyptian girl and my fiance lives in america, when he came to propose my parents didn't talk about his financial status just few chatting over his work and his family, which is only to make them know him better after all they should feel comfortable as they are giving him there daughter (me). In art, the ba of a deceased person appears as a human-headed bird. Lesson learned: Start getting your act together big time (settle down and find a stable job) if you want to find love in Egypt. He doesn't speak nor English nor none of my native languages (Ukrainian/Russian). For a Muslim man to marry a non-Muslim woman who is deemed to be a person from the People of the Book, Christian or Jew, many Muslim scholars say that this is permissible. Bad Kitty - A cute nickname for a naughty but adorable guy. (E.g. In all honesty, I think that some of the traditions are simply practical (eg 'guy should have a job and a home of some sort), but the fact that you had to have the 'agreement' talk after having met her only twice is a bit extreme on the conservative side. I love being a part of her very close and personal family. and used me to have a fun time. I could easily list off a dozen more terms and expressions but I think this will do. Nor marry (your girls) to unbelievers until they believe: A man slave who believes is better than an unbeliever, even though he allures you. I really did enjoy reading this and I had a few laughs specially at the part of "Bathroom is the only place for privacy" Actually not even there for sometime you'd find people knocking on the door telling you to hurry the hell up 'enty bt3mely a gowa? Every dad treats his daughter as if she's Paris Hilton. No matter how you spell it, "Grammy" is a popular term of endearment for American grandmothers. Yeah Egyptian girls, hurry up and get you a "superior" Neanderthal so that he can turn you into a dog and force you to commit vile sexual acts to please their disgusting desires. I'm just curious, not a pervert.. It is as if you have people belonging to different cultures..so, again it depends on who and where you are with. I'd be on my 4th or 5th marriage at this point (I know, I know, divorce would not have been an option for me in Egypt). So the acceptance goes both ways; it certainly is not only seen coming from the Middle Eastern side of the equation. Intercultural and monolingual relationships that are carried in a different language than your own are hard. how old was she anyway? I am in my 20's and from America. In many ancient cultures, the heart was believed to be the centre of emotions. But we were in love and it all worked out just fine in the end.We are no longer together, but we remain friends. This probably happened in a more traditional (lower class) Islamic area. I look at my daughter who is 16 and see the life that Ive couldve had a young girl if I was just allowed to be myself. but as an egyptian girl who suffered from these rules as well. Lesson learned: Only date those with the same religious views as yourself and if youre an atheist or agnostic then youre probably best not to try. Even at a high level of fluency in a foreign language as I have with Arabic, there is still so much emotion and thought that cant be completely expressed without your native language. It is very true and balanced analysis. But, boy, did my Arabic improve! but i still respect my religion! This is really a frustrating reality for us , every father needs to know that his daughter will have a good standard of life and you can't blame them for that , you are not in the west , it's very hard to live on your own in Egypt , and it's even harder to support a family . Note: This is what I personally learned from my own experience and those of my Egyptian friends. Unfortunately, everyone spoke pretty good English (except for the mom), so I didn't really speak Arabic as much as I should have. Funerary jars containing organs removed from the mummy. I was lucky because I live in a country where I can be a strong, independent woman without as many consequences as I would face in Egypt.BUT IT WAS STILL SO DIFFICULT. Texts indicate that the groom often gave the bride's family a gift, and he also gave his wife presents. Was time wasted, Why do they say it was mine? Now, this may differ for others but in my situation I was told to dress nice, come to their home and sit down for a lengthy interview about myself, my plans and my intentions with the mans daughter. If your relationship outwardly shows your love for each other, and each of your unique personalities are displayed with positivity, the people walking alongside you on the street will respect you. i loved him like no one ever loved before hahah, i had to discover that he used my company to make his Arabic more better , although i can talk in English better than him. Wow. As well as vida and cielito, another term of endearment that you may hear in Spanish is tesoro, which literally translates to "treasure" in English. I was fortunate that I had these people to back me up. as an egyptian girl I agree on all this .. but it doesnt mean that all girls, families & situations are the same in egypt.I had boyfriends n my family knewgold and jewels aren't life but its more like a gift for marriage n a chained money for the future if troubles are facedI am a muslim n yes I'd prefer to marry a man like me .. it would make life simpler for me atleast .. i mean if i loved someone who isn't muslim I cannot marry him.. ihe is free with his believes but I don't wanna take him where he shouldn't be. In this FREE ArabicPod101 lesson, you learn words and phrases, and get bonus audio lessons. We are ultimately united under the promise of utmost care for one another. Life force or spirit of a person which continues to exist after death. Thank you, Wow! Ah, the sun and the moon! (You know your students and school best, of course, and some of these might work in a kindergarten classroom but come across the wrong way in a room full of high schoolers, or vice versa. I also feel like I am the only one working hard for this relationship. You can imagine the thoughts running through my mind. I enjoyed this mate.. Anyway I want to confront the Egyptian about it because their closed-mindedness is affecting the relationship and I don't know what to do because it would be silly of me to ask him to choose between me and his friends. And after that, teach her your language. Memorable Moments. family is number 1 in middle east not the money and all what you mentioned in your story because her family want to be sure that the new family will not fail.every new project need money and a good people who you trust if you really care about the future.poor people and rich people get married nothing is related to how much you have its about how u are smart to manage yourself and take the responsibility of take are of your new family.you are already have my email feed me back if u like.till then good bye and good luck. Most tomb art generally followed consistent rules and held special meaning to the ancient Egyptians. The work of he who refuses to follow the Way of faith will go to waste, and he will be among the utter losers in the Hereafter.} So naturally, you shouldn't be getting married if you don't have a career and ambitions lined up. ba6a (): Duck. With Shirley MacLaine, Debra Winger, Jack Nicholson, Danny DeVito. Just as awful that your parents just criticized you and did not really support you much. I don't know if that plays a role in this event that just happened to me. I'm gonna go ahead and be the guy who experienced (almost) exact opposites with most points you made Donovan :) -- All respect coming from me though, as you maybe agree, no two people experience a situation exactly the same. Little cabbage (French) Petit chou. Here's a. My wife and her siblings were raised with the same shows I watched as a kid, liked the same little kid pop music I did, PLUS them being raised on all the popular Egyptian culture, whereas I was not. Cobber Old-Fashioned Terms of Endearment 15. I take my hat off to you blokes for doing that. I had made my intention known that I wanted us to stay in Egypt and she was fine with doing that. It has made me more confident in what our love can endure. Ancient Egyptian Underworld and Afterlife in Film. Unfortunately I doubt that I could get away with "begging for forgiveness instead of asking for permission.". Men harassing is on a date? falling in love) = love in the sense of lust or desire (i.e. So I am an Indian guy (Hindu) and I am 35 years old. I am Egyptian, and I just been in love with just ONE girl from Egypt before and I really liked it so much, but you made it clear. ''TERMS OF ENDEARMENT'' is a funny, touching, beautifully acted film that covers more territory than it can easily manage. Ceremony where the mouth of the mummy was symbolically opened so the dead could use all their senses in the afterlife. Sure my husband as real Egyptian man is trying to cover all our expenses on his own but we got married before we got an apartment, I refused to get any gold except wedding ring plus he doesn't feel that we have to visit his family members on every occasion. that would be nice since I would like to see it from a different perspective and who better to do that than a foreign guy who lived in egypt. After that he asked for add me in skype, somethings e talked about engineer stuff, but some days the bizarre things began, cause he said he has no sound, was very common to call me at midnight or pretty early in the moorning in egypt (3 am) with a poor light, so he was like a shadow and without sound, enjoying showing himself in boxer and exposing him on camera. Definitely some new things here about Egyptian culture that I didn't know. they dont wanna marry the guy himself, they wanna marry his car n his apartment. Our relationship was tumultuous. I had an intimate relationship with an Egyptian man but I suspected he was already married to an Egyptian girl. It doesnt need much explaining as it works the same way in English. It can mean "life" and also "loved one", "darling", etc. These two words can be used pretty much interchangeably. MY PRECIOUS! Egyptians have an entirely separate culture and history of their own; when it comes to relations with the Arab world = they only speak Arabic, and it ends there. I think you got involved with a very conservative Egyptian family, but that's not at all how it usually is. Ever seen "Facial Abuse'? I am paying for the entire wedding because he is a very poor man. Hes really sweet/funny! Dating outside of your group can have nasty consequences for a lot of people. It took a very bad marriage and almost losing my live by an abusive Egyptian husband for 7 years to break away from all the control and traditions. Amr Diab describes his lovers eyes as two moons. Well, what is more precious than someones eyes? It just happened that you fell for a very traditional family :), i really must thanks you MR donovan not for the article only cause i agree with some of its point , but also for giving us a chance to know this huge number of Egyptian women who just hated their country and traditions and may be sometimes their families just because of sex ! She says she dont want to lose her family over me and lose me over her family. I feel if he was not using me he would approach me and just explain to me the traditions of marrying a woman and that he can not provide this to me. There's no way I could have (or should have) committed to someone after 2 dates. he was lucky I was residing in the US.
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