The other big issue Ive always had is the graphic nature of violence, this We are TV-MA streaming, so we can do anything attitude I simply hate that. I agree! With predictive spelling and multiple languages available, incorrect word choice is a constant threat even when one does type in the correct word. Just when it looks like the character has finally grown as a person and doing her own thing, comes right back. David Ajala: The first thing that comes to mind, is maybe hes a borderline narcissist, vry egotistical, and self-absorbed. Editor's note, 23 Dec 2020: If you like Wiseman's interview here, then you should also check out interviewer Dawn Ennis's other work. By: TrekMovie.com Staff I do not endorse body-shaming in any way, as I was bullied as a kid years ago. What was your point to this comment, anyway, except to minimize and dismiss support for plus-size women? Proceed accordingly. We need to examine our highest ideals and allegiances to reveal our preconceived notions, shallow knee-jerk reactions, and find the truth about our choices. The problem is, very deep into his 80s, and theres still chatter about him playing the action hero. Some folks here like this nu trek because it lowered standards to make them feel better about themselves. For me, DS9 was the best Star Trek Show for character development. Thats a crumpet I want to butter. [laughter], David Ajala as Book and Sonequa Martin-Green as Michael in episode 401 Kobayashi Maru. If you cant deal with the idea of conflicting opinions then I really dont think you should be online at the moment. Not sure what her weight has to do with anything. At New York Comic Con, TrekMovie participated in some group interviews with members of the cast and crew, one of which was with the pair-up of Mary Wiseman (Tilly) and David Ajala (Book). However, if we got to see Tilly gradually improve herself. Anyway it was just a thought. But because of Discovery we have Lower Decks, Picard, Prodigy, Strange New Worlds, Short Treks, possibly Section 31 and the Academy show. I guess some people would rather the perfect people of TNG than anyone that mirrors back anything they dont want to see in themselves. What I should point out though is that Mack earned the moniker Angel of Death among the Litverse fans. The Relaunch Litverse books for DS9 are uneven in my reading experience as compared to the TNG and the Voyager books once Beyer took over. However, we do know that David Mack does. The burden is now on SNWThat show can either make or break it with regards to these issues. By: Laurie Ulster I wasnt complaining there were therapists on board. We have both Mary Wiseman and Sonequa Martin-Green talking about body issues, Kate Mulgrew jumping in too, and some more behind-the-scenes photos. I dont understand this at all. Somewhere in the bowels of Secret Hideout, they invented a computer program that can cobble together scripts that fit various parameters. This time, even if I wanted that, my body said: no were going to take some time here, we need to heal. And so, I find myself in this bigger, fuller body and it made me appreciate where I was before. The message she is sending how? She cant control her weight. I think Mary is doing a fantastic job as isSonequa, Their characters are fantastic as are all the others. Yeah, self absorbed is an excellent way to describe her character, Id never thought of it that way. American actress Mary Wiseman payed several smaller roles in the past but recently gained a big recognition as Cadet Sylvia Tilly in new iteration of Star Trek franchise called Star trek: Discovery. I just wonder if maybe they are adapting the basic idea to what we are seeing in Prodigy since the Protostar couldve been part of the Full Circle program and was sent back to the DQ for a specific mission? Heaven forefend women feel good about themselves! Yes, The Expanse. STAR TREK and its various marks are trademarks of CBS Studios Inc. 2023 CBS Studios Inc./Paramount Pictures Corp. 2006-2023 SciFanatic Network | Legal/Privacy Info, Copyright 2023 | MH Newsdesk by MH Themes, Podcast: All Access Dives Into The Latest Episode Of Picard And Probes Star Treks TV (And Movie) Future, BREAKING: Star Trek: Discovery To Conclude With Season 5, Review: Star Trek: Picard Runs Deep In Seventeen Seconds, Watch Picard And Riker Reverse Their Classic Roles In Star Trek: Picard Episode 303 Clip, J.J. Abrams Talks Compelling Story For Star Trek 4; Chris Pine Expresses Frustration Over Wait, Just when it looks like the character has finally grown as a person and doing her own thing, comes right back., I love how Disco has put the human back into the human experience. And I agree wholeheartedly. It really doesnt fit in the century they are in. Bullied badly as a child and teen so I know what I speak of; Im just glad I grew up pre-Internet, and I sympathize with any nowadays who have to deal with Internet bullying on top of real world bullying. She is best known for starring as Sylvia Tilly in the Paramount+ science fiction drama series Star Trek: Discovery (2017-present). I agree 100%. The Tilly we saw as Earth, check that United (eyeroll) Earth was being evacuated is NOT the same Tilly we saw for the previous 40+ episodes. STAR TREK and its various marks are trademarks of CBS Studios Inc. 2023 CBS Studios Inc./Paramount Pictures Corp. 2006-2023 SciFanatic Network | Legal/Privacy Info, Copyright 2023 | MH Newsdesk by MH Themes, Podcast: All Access Dives Into The Latest Episode Of Picard And Probes Star Treks TV (And Movie) Future, BREAKING: Star Trek: Discovery To Conclude With Season 5, Review: Star Trek: Picard Runs Deep In Seventeen Seconds, Watch Picard And Riker Reverse Their Classic Roles In Star Trek: Picard Episode 303 Clip, J.J. Abrams Talks Compelling Story For Star Trek 4; Chris Pine Expresses Frustration Over Wait, I hope Mary Wiseman is okay or has a good reason for her weight gain since S1. Sonequa is a great actress. So. What do you think it looks like? I hope that Wiseman uses that info into the future because it does work for fat burning and muscle building.. Two Kelpians and a Disco Kenny (Zero Kelpians were harmed during this shoot. ;). Everybody loves ., meant literally, is never true. Do you see that tension? During the 1st season, Michael helped Tilly to gain confidence and then continued to nurture that confidence through . Can Picard go round the sun once more and rescue Saru from Discovery? Sad but true, yet we always opt to genuflect in the direction of the elephant. After all, it DOES seem as though Tilly is gone from the crew for the time being. From the next episode on season 3 which was at least okay up to that point started to completely fall apart. Happy to have your wit, enthusiasm, & talent as part of the franchise. I would ask our family doctor, Is there anything you can give me thatll make me gain weight?'. I know most dont share my opinon that after a terrible first half of S1, I have generally liked Discovery but making Tilly first officer was quite possibly the most ridiculous plot twist in the history of Trek. Her character Tilly is not my favorite on the show but body shaming is a shameful act by itself. So many jerks in this world, its good to see decent people. I for one have always had to watch my weight and I still wage the battle to this day. Tilly is part Wesley Crusher and part Barclay. There are characters you really cherish and others that are fun but ultimately nothing special. Ive seen people here and on other message boards body-shame Ms.Wiseman, and its disgusting. Background information. In a Paramount+ featurette (which you can see below) about the making of the episode, Wiseman talks about how Tilly has changed: Coming back for the finale was really exciting for me because she comes back in this fully black Starfleet suit. Make better choices. Is her awkwardness all that different from Ezri on DS9? After they wrote her to be the most annoying person possible. Probably some admirals cousin. Biography All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. Cant believe people are so rude as to insult anyone because they dont look the way they expect. The mirror Tilly and the ISS Discovery appear in the "Mirror of Discovery" storyline in Star Trek Online, as part of the game's 9th anniversary in January 2019; she is voiced by Mary Wiseman, who also . Originally I imagined him as Denzel Washington or Blair Underwood, but after belatedly watching The Wire and Luther I think Idris Elba would be a really good match. It was a novelty in his first story and they turned it on its head when he got zapped and made super-smart, but most of the time hes very trying, especially when he gets thrown onto Voyager. I am a therapist in real life, and even *I* think it was crazy that they had a therapist on the bridge. Mention one thing or person loved by EVERYBODY. Star Trek: Discovery's Mary Wiseman and Blu del Barrio reflect on their character's journeys and the possibilities ahead. What do you mean? That was always the theory I had for Barclay. The visual reboot premise was overstretched. Nibiru? As long as the stories remain laser-focused on the *people* their *relationships* and the *emotions* generated therein, instead of ships, gadgets, and effects, well be fine. The very basis of Star Trek is in direct conflict with people like that. Im sure nearly everyone of the crew of TNG had issues and problems. And second of all, just to dig into it, you dont always get to see a woman like me in that sort of position. Of all the issues I have with Star Trek Discovery, Mary Wiseman/Tilly is definitely not among them. His Voyager appearances were also horrid. There is a wealth of other outlets for health and fitness information, that frankly are more dispassionate and factual than getting health and fitness info from celebrities. 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Ive read plenty of well-deserved criticism of the writing but to my knowledge, there has been no widespread criticism of STD acting or physical appearances. Ive learned a lot of bad spelling comes from dictating into your smartphone. But I have to say, when they named her Killy, it made the already off-kilter character even more ridiculous. He was in the Travis Mayweather category. 1:15. Remember , they had steroids and thyroid problems in the 80's, but the majority of people were off normal weight, which today would be called skinny. I think you are talking jibberish. It's mostly the super-hero genre where you see this. Michelle Yeoh, considerably smaller in physical stature, probably weighs around 90# [because she is allll muscle]. I dont believe any of the other series had a therapist on the bridge. While not getting specific about if or where we will see Tilly again, Wiseman also hinted the finale was not the end of her story: Tilly is not somebody who lets people leave her life. With his skill and abilities, we will see how he may use them in a way that may affect his relationship with Michael Burnham. To me, at least. Mary Wiseman: That that could be a very powerful person in the Mirror Universe. Loved that show, so did my wife. So when very capable people feel un-capable, crazy things happen. Hes been very creative in using callbacks and interweaving eras in his own work. Please dont ban me!). When I was around 12 I used to eat peanut butter and drink Ensure, a meal replacement drink, before I went to sleep. 42 comments so far. Definitely a character created for the TikTok generation to like.. high five, hugs and ditziness with lots of over emotional feelings on display. So, hes likely a good fit for the Hageman brothers who say that they want to bring the Wrath of Khan feeling to the Prodigy audience. You always come up with weird posts VS this one is weirder than usual Im afraid to say. I find her character interesting, but inconsistent. I originally was skeptical but then I turned around in season 1 and really started enjoying it. For someone who is supposed to care about others, shes been remarkably stuck in her own emotions. Rumors started when some problematic fans of Star Trek Discovery found out that she gained a few pounds between the seasons. You can start with those or the later books in the Time to sequence without significant confusion. Hopefully its . All are different. Although they didnt really use secondary characters wellthey still dont. Acceptance? Body shaming is wrong and immature. Its really just certain comments sections and Facebook garbage holes. Personally I would put Barclay and Trois Mom in that group too, but not sure recurring characters belong with regulars in this race. She gets up in the morning and lives with a purpose, helping her crewmates, and ready to make the ultimate sacrifice if necessary. I absolutely love Tilly/Killy. Tillys a fantastic character. | December 23, 2020 | David Ajala: I would be very dangerous. But I really do like Book a lot! I always felt that I wanted hips and a butt. Its this kind of nonsense that ruins Discovery. Learning? The only thing she is qualified for at Starfleet Academy is as a 23rd century specialist. Obviously I dont know what M. Wiseman is like. Tilly is Trekdom. [1] Early life [ edit] Wiseman is the youngest daughter of Dorothy and Kevin Wiseman and has three older brothers. I actually had an entire epic story mapped out that I was seriously considering turning into a series of novels. Except that would imply that her being there was the exception rather than the rule. | November 13, 2021 | Bad, character pandering types of writing, with over-emotional children in the roles of astronaut-scientist-soldiers. Sincerely, obesity is defined in terms of the proportion of body fat associated higher risk of illness. No one can argue that Shatner is anything less than fit at whatever age. I would not say it isnt a valid creative decision to try this approach, especially in an age where we are emphasizing the need for self-care, its just not to my taste. What tradition do you speak of? We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. She makes it all look so easy. Tillys great contribution is that shes NOT that sort of superwoman most people can never be. Basically a good officer whos been in Starfleet for some years but her career stalled due to emotional and self-esteem issues. Samarkand? No character like her would ever have graduated Starfleet. Star Trek: Discovery currently streams exclusively on Paramount+ in the U.S. Tillys journey has helped me over the last few years. Why does the therapist appear to outrank the CMO? Between 2011 through 2015, she attended Juilliard School's Drama Division, where one of her students was future Star Trek: Discovery actress Mary Chieffo. And to have somebody step in and defend you is really meaningful. Which I think would be a tremendous mistake. Sometimes it worked over amazing distances other times not. Thats just a matter of preference. Personally I dont find that inspiring in any way whatsoever. My point is, a lot of the shamers are probably ashamed of themselves for being overweight and project it onto others. All those wonderful things that dont make you a good human being. I LOVE the future! Tilly is justannoying. There are admittedly quite a few other Starfleet officers Scotty and Riker, for example who prove that being chunky is still a thing in the future. Having a discussion about healthy weights, healthy eating and physical activity and how thats important is a good Star Trek message. And I felt that was ridiculous. He was a cool character and one of the best things about season 3. In large part that is down to getting set in my ways with this franchise, so I have to temper my critiques with that knowledge. She is relatable and human and wonderful. It is not others right to tell someone how their body should be that sort of thing was done with slaves. Shes not going anywhere. You are always very insightful. Somehow these insecure people feel others not like them are a threat to how they see themselves and how the world should, in their opinion, be. And others opinions dont factor in. It is constantly exposing the never ending struggle of smart and talented woman of color. But Barclay is just irritating as hell. Actually, the production team is not helping either. And with Troi being a betazoid, thats why she was on the bridge. Just a heads up (even more way off topic), for those who liked SG , IMO the Atlantis book Legacy series was quite good, telling the story of what happened after the finale. I dont think youre ready for that kind of interaction, online, or anywhere else. Well said, Edward. That however does nothing to mitigate the way Burnham has been written to be unforgivably self-absorbed throughout many of the key moments of the series. CBS/Paramount+ For Wiseman's Tilly, the danger and near-loss of all the cadets, including Adira (Blu del Barrio) forces her. Gee, so some Trek fans can be @$$holes. You can absolutely argue that DISCO incorporates too much emotion with their characters (something I agree with to an extent), but I do appreciate how much more real these characters feel compared to past characters (especially in the early seasons of TNG). And, in that sense, it is okay to be used as it was above. No it says a lot about the incredibly dangerous message she is sending. He was non-military, the same height as me, and easily weighed 300#. Mary Wiseman (born July 30, 1985) is an American actress. Just IMHO, because to each his (or her, or their) own! The 60s/70s are gone. Neither were annoying. No character like her would ever have graduated Starfleet. Tons do, yes. All Access Star Trek Podcast, Discovery, DS9, Lower Decks, Section 31, Star Trek 4, Star Trek: Picard, Star Trek: Prodigy, Strange New Worlds. In fact, at least on this website, I often see the contrary. Also, quite likely theyre pointing her towards a bigger role in their upcoming Academy show, when she does want the work of tv again. There is such a difference between having criticisms of the way the characters are written and criticizing the actors performance/craft and their leadership in the company. It makes sense there would be and that they be a part of the medical team. In her interview with TrekMovie last week, Discovery co-showrunner Michelle Paradise echoed these sentiments: Well never be done with Tilly. Whether you choose to believe it or not, youre actually part of the problem. I think criticism of the actors is wrong as well, its not about the actors its what they have been told deliver. Lets stick with the science and not target individuals. Speaking to Glamour UK, Sonequa Martin-Green revealed that she has dealt with body image issues too: Back in the mid-to-late eighties, early nineties, everything I saw, with hip hop, was all curvy, curvy, big butt, she recalls. Season 4 sees Sonequa Martin-Green's, Michael Burnham, return with her. Took time to reset the franchise. Watch as SFX makeup transforms Doug Jones into Saru for Star Trek: Discovery. From what Ive read, having her on the bridge because of her betazed abilities was what Roddenberry had in mind. It would make sense if you knew the story ;) Lets just say Jake did write his famous book a couple of years after the end of DS9, but in the years and decades ahead he went on to much bigger things and took his career and his life in a very different direction. I dont read the same type of criticism for their male actors. Im not the idiot fringe but her weight is none of our business (and, also, she had a baby before S3, I believe). Shes loved. Unfortunately PICARD turned out to be set in the same period, so it derailed my plans, although later I did figure out a way to explain the considerable differences in the Prime Universe. Just blows my mind. Tilly is the product of lazy writing and a lazy showrunner. That promise was fulfilled in last weeks season finale, and Wiseman is talking about her return. Try the Daily Mail for 5 minutes. Im sure many may NOT be a Janeway but could at least look at her and say thats what I aspire to be. Its been a continuing book series since 2009 and still going. Thats undeniable. Youve got to hand it to Harry Kim. I like Tilly but shes not my favourite character. Just when it looks like the character has finally grown as a person and doing her own thing, comes right back. Well, the entire point is she absolutely looks the way I expect her to. I have this image in my head of the EPs saying to Mack that theyd like species that havent been main characters in other shows and asking him to give a list of options for a big and strong species, a species without a bianary gender etc. It felt like an organic exit, and with the way that others said goodbye to her, it . By: TrekMovie.com Staff In the latest Star Trek: Discovery episode, Sylvia Tilly ( Mary Wiseman) was tasked with . Theres a difference between celebrating obesity and accepting individual human beings, treating them as human beings, and not targeting them specifically for emotional harassment. Gotta side with Sascha here. This week's episode raised concerns. Thats a refreshing thing for Berman Era Star Trek, when characters tend to be more reserved and the dialogue is highly stylized and precise. Eh, only in some particular parts of the internet. Sure, its not perfect, we all have a nitpick here and there, but as long as it has a message, it revolves around people, and some cool science stuff, its trek to me. However, with the successive changes in show runners the coherence of Burnhams development has been lost. :-), What, you mean you dont follow your patients around at work, giving suggestions? IMHO, if she usually eats well, trains and commits to staying healthy, then life can be a lot of fun leading an active adventurous life while still enjoying food and fine dining and it is irrelevant what people say about her looks. Barclay was another unrealistic character that never shouldve made it in to Starfleet. Shaming is one thing. The Trek Collective has a flowchart for the Litverse which is helpful. Makes sense. Find more stories on theStar Trek Universe. DS9 Avatar books 1 and 2 were quite good and helpfully kicked off the DS9 Relaunch sequence. Wiseman possess voluptuous hourglass shaped figure. Overall, I like the fun character of Tilly (too bad the writers room made her first officer). Anyway, another Discovery-ism, amongst the many other weird decisions on this show. And I know Chakotay was also Captain on Voyager in those books as well. )Granted, I think the special effects, space battles, bizarre technology and explosions are the proverbial tail wagging the dog, but thats always been the case, and is increasingly expected in these post-Star Wars, high tech decades. Theres even a scene where she pretty much turns to the camera and says that shell stay till the very end. Janeway is bridge crew, of course she was coming back! Thats not good writing, its oandering fan fiction, Starfleet is not military. She only graduated from SA herself at the end of season 1. Weve seen Captain Killy, so what does Mirror Universe Book look like? I thought her arc was going to end with her being booted from the service for repeatedly failing physical fitness tests? Sort of the same way Spock stayed first officer in the movies to Kirk although he was a captain for five of those films. Therefore, I love her. I see those things and they hurt me because Im a person. The doctor was usually the therapist. She is most recognized for her roles in the science fiction drama series Star Trek: Discovery on Paramount+, where she first played Cadet, then Ensign, and finally . Would a woman watching this aspire to be a Tilly or aspire to be a Dax, Kira or Janeway? Han Van Sciver and Mary Wiseman in At the Wedding (Photo: Marc J. Franklin), Watch Wiseman and cast and crew talk about the season four finale. For me I love how it deals with social logic as well as technology. It included a lot of the old characters too like Chakotay, BElanna, Tuvok with a lot of new characters. So I think Tilly definitely goes to employ those skills. (80's for ya) This show has disrespected the actress with poor development and no real storyline except oh hey, im awkward guys. Episodes will be available on Fridays internationally on Netflix. And I want to take care of me so I can continue to be me. But then again Im not a troll. Overweight and obesity are not a matter of looks or body shape, and those who feel free to body-shame are off-side and frequently unkind. Just grow up and ignore the random internet comments you are elevating the drama of this internet troll thing by talking about it. And doesnt that just make the point about the difference between fitness and apparent chunkiness or curveyness. Thats the thought I had last season, when they had the perfect chance to wirte out Burnam (I believe it was Reunification III or the one after that) and they just didnt follow through at the end. However, Tilly's rise to Lieutenant in Thursday's episode of Star Trek: Discovery did not invoke feelings of joy. It is not yet known what role, if any, Wisemans Tilly would have in the upcoming season, with possibilities ranging from guest or recurring character to becoming a series regular again. You mentioned that the rest of world laughs at America because of obesity. The U.S.S. Sylvia Tilly was an ambitious female Human Starfleet officer who lived during the mid- 23rd century. I think the ship can handle a little chonk. but it looks like she did simply did it because she was her friend and room mate. I didnt like Reed from Enterprise, does that make me a troll? And now, with only three years under her belt in the field, only two of which were as a ranked officer, they think shes somehow ready to train the next generation of recruits?! Barclays ticks do get really annoying. Tilly looks great and her weight is a not a issue. So sayeth Scotty, the contrarian. Tilly is a Harry Kim, Wesley Crusher, Travis Mayweather sort of character at least for me. And I belong., After reading the Forbes article, Wiseman got some backup from someone who knows what its like to be a woman in the captains chair: Kate Mulgrew, who thinks Mary is killing it on Discovery and should pay the haters no mind., I saw the @Forbes article on Mary Wiseman @may_wise clearly killing it onscreen & off in #StarTrekDiscovery. Seasons one through three are available to stream now on CBS All Access. Some of us dont grasp the very basic foundation of what Star Trek is all about!? It was the fall of 2017 and my non-Trekkie wife, Lisa, had begrudgingly agreed to watch Star Trek: Discovery with me, having heard me talk nonstop about how excited I was for Trek's return to TV.We were on the third episode, "Context is for Kings," when she appeared.